Heh. I remember back when your site was on AOL and that buggy Java chat room. The place has come a long way since then....

I guess the VampFangs thing would be like a witch's website selling DVDs of the show "Charmed". I find it harmless and I don't think it'll detract anyone other than the people who are already skeptical and looking to find additional reasons to be skeptical. Maybe have some sort of disclaimer: "real vamps have a sense of humor too"? I mean that's really what it's all about, right?

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What sort of impression you wish to promote is up to you.

My concern, however, is with their apparent lack of ethics

How much income do you get from it?

Hmmm...

Here is a listing of all transactions I have received from VampFangs:

Mar. 23, 2006 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $165.46 USD

Nov. 30, 2005 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $75.00 USD

Jun. 26, 2005 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $62.35 USD

Feb. 24, 2005 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $18.06 USD

Jan. 2, 2005 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $10.61 USD

Nov. 12, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $32.00 USD

Oct. 17, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $106.95 USD

Sep. 3, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $5.97 USD

Aug. 20, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $5.95 USD

Aug. 20, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $15.73 USD

Aug. 20, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $8.82 USD

Aug. 20, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $7.14 USD

Aug. 20, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $9.41 USD

Aug. 20, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $17.18 USD

Jun. 5, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $7.76 USD

May 25, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $7.32 USD

May 17, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $4.92 USD

May 11, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $4.61 USD

May 9, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $2.09 USD

May 8, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $4.18 USD

May 6, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $2.09 USD

May 3, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $13.73 USD

Apr. 29, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $7.46 USD

Apr. 22, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $2.09 USD

Apr. 20, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $3.29 USD

Apr. 20, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $2.09 USD

Apr. 15, 2004 Payment From GlowMark Novelties $4.18 USD

I personally love your website. I would hate for it to be off the web. I think you should leave it on until you can find a new source of income. But it is worth looking into a new source. [/end rant from random person you don't know]

I get the same shit about DDD having a vamp fang's affiliate link. (Not that they ever actually seem to PAY me, just send me account updates that say I'm due money which rarely comes.) I tend to think people who say those types of things have their mind set anyway. They want to cause trouble and they're going to be asses either way. If not that, they something else. (Do you know how many times I hear/see/read people saying that DDD is a "goth" site despite the fact I mention that vampire does not equal goth about a dozen times?)

If I ever do reply to the jerks, I simply say that there's nothing wrong with having fun and not taking yourself seriously. That it's fun to camp it up for Halloween. Being vampiric doesn't mean you can have fun now and then.

*shrugs*

especially considering the whole "Fun Vamps Have" section, and how many of them involve stories of people camping it up with fangs and such, it would seem to say, "hey, look, we're not all moping around taking ourselves so seriously it hurts", which they would also complain about...
I say leave it up, it brings in much needed revenue, and unless you find something equally as related to the site that would generate as much, let people talk.

You can't please everyone. I agree with what's already been said. Whoever made the comment had their minds already made up and nothing anyone says will make a difference. If what you make from this site offsets your costs and the majority of what you hear is not negitive then I would delette is and consider it maintence....out with the trash.

Bah. How many "real vampires" DON'T own a set of fake fangs just for the fun of it? Leave it, I say, and let that minor minority worry about it on thier own...

I've run into a similar dilemma carrying the Google AdSense ads on my site, which I absolutely abhor, but hey, every penny helps.

People tend to make up their mind about a site within the first 10-15 seconds upon seeing/reading it. I get shite all the time emailed because of some of the news stories I post. And I get some for the silly ads that Google puts in the AdSense code.

I stopped putting too much into what other people think about my site, and I could easily suggest the same of you. It's your site, you do with it as you see fit, and screw what anyone else thinks. :)

What would make me quit coming to your site would be taking ads off because of what others say or think. If it brings money, great, if not, then replace it. The others said what needed said. If you haven't made your mind up yet, then you're a lil slow. ;) Bloodstone1976

For those of us that do come here, regardless of our reasoning, it matters not about how the site is funded. If they wish to look at us with closed eyes let them belive thier illusions of the world. We shall always know what we are and we should not care about those who dont know. i pose you tis question, if we where to conform to each and every complaint that is brought to us, where would that leave us???---Valec

Go to VampFangs and tell them your concerns. Being associated with a company means that, in an indirect way, the two of you are in a business partnership. The comments, such as the one you posted, are not only rude, disrespectful and highly uncalled for, but they also are mistreating the partnership and - more than likely - harming their own business.

Tell them how offensive this is (as well as WHY it is offensive) and that, if they are going to continue making comments such as those, you will be glad to no longer be affiliated with them, as well as demanding an apology for their HIGHLY unprofessional behavior. Give them a chance to do so.

Hopefully, they will realize what they have done and they will retract their comments, never to post such things again. In the meantime - just in case they remain obstinate - you can be looking for another company that seems to hold enough potential with whom you can be affiliated. And, of course, should you desire, you can also sue them for libel on the grounds of defamation of character - remember, "libel" is written "slander."

Nono, VampFangs didn't make the comments. It was some other site that did. I'm not upset at VampFnags at all.

As a sang who thought she was all alone in this big world for over 20 years and stumbled upon your site one day, I was grateful and relieved to have finally discovered a website that told me I'm not quite so alone. No, I'm not into wearing fangs, but it is the CONTENT of the site, and not the ads that support it, that matters! My vote is, do what you need to do to keep the site up because you're helping a LOT of people by having it there. If you're worried about the ads causing people to not take the site seriously, I'm all for the suggestion above: put a disclaimer under the ad.

i know what you mean. before i read the intro i thought it was just a vampire fan site but once i started browsing around, i was impressed.

i would reccomend finding another source of income maybe advertising well known companies or search engines. ads that you would find on a variety of sites not just "vamp/goth" ones.

you do eliminate skeptics but you could be turning away people who are searching for this kind of site. but if it is the only sourfce of income you should leave it up.

I am of a divided mind on the topic. As far as the sceptics go, they will always be skeptics. So I'd say leave them to thier delusions. As far as removeing the ad to gain credibility, it might do so. But for the people whom such a minor gesture would convince probably on some level thin porn sites that advertise viagra aren't real porn.

Perhaps a simple warning around or near that and any similar adverts stating their presences is merely to offset the costs of the website.

Dont listen to those jerks. you need the money to keep your site running, and companies like vamp fangs get bussines from sites like yours. and really. how many vampires DONT like to wear fake fangs(if they dont have real ones). if we are stuck bein vampires we might as well have fun an acknowledge the fact WE ARE VAMPIRES. when the rest of the world(me included0 thinks vampire they think fangs. so i think they are not an indulgent fantasy but more of a badge of pride in what i am>

Should I take the Vampfangs thing off my page and try to find some other source of income, or leave it on and lose credibility?

I find it somewhat endearing. If nothing else, their banner is a good visual telling people just starting to explore the web looking for answers "You've come to the right place".

I doubt I can add any further insight, but I would like to encourage you. The support this site provides for those of us who have no local community is invaluable. Ads are required to continue the existance of this site.

Should one accept ads for t-shirts, shoes, makeup or cars? These offer no continuity with the site. They are distracting, and detract from the over-all presentation of the site itself.

If one is truly on a search for their own kind, they will dig through all the crappy fansites for any contact and will not be put off by a small advertisment. An ad for fangs will not deter them from going in and discovering a home.

Plus, when I need to replace my fangs, it will just be that much harder for me to find them ;)

i was going through my awakening (and still am, i guess) when i found your site. it helped me realize that i was actually going through my awakening. before i found sanguinarius.org, if u would have told me i was a vampire, i would've said u should be wearing a straight jacket. so ur really not "turning people like that off". at least not me. i say, if it allows u to kepp running sanguinarius.org, keep the banner and stay a VampFangs affiliate, because i would be very sad if sanguinarius.org went away.

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All came for me but no one stop me because I'm HELL SON

All I have to say is this. I am not a Vamp of any kind, this is the absolute first time I have visited this site. I came here for research, and I thought that the ad showed a lightheartedness, and a sense of humor. I know some people think that it lessens the site, however, these are the people that are only going to come to the site to find something to mock or are doing it because they have nothing else to do. Ignore them, they'll never come back to the site to see if you changed anything anyway.

Jessie

Everyone knows at least in the Community you are one of the most knowledgeable people around. Everyone uses your definitions and comes regularly to your site if they want no nonsense materials to quote. The fangs, the clothes are just how some express themselves in the Community. Its not what we are really its how we have fun and relate to one another. Not all of us, but some. Do what you must do as your having an ad for fangs has nothing whatsoever to do with your credibility in my opinion. People need to get real. You need to support the website which is a wonderful place to come and learn.

Lady Nightdancer

put it this way if u take it down u lose income i came to ur site a none beliver wen i left i had a new found knowledge in "vampires", when i took a look at your sites advertisments in no way did it discredit you infact i found it quite fiting considering it turns out they dont grow there own lol, but yeah back to the point if it is discrediting your site its because the person obviously dosent belive in the firt place so even without it they would still think the same, and what goods a site if you havent got the money to keep it runing? your sites up to help people who are strugling that are "vampires" not to convinse people that they are real your dutys to those who need you and if they are real "vampires" then they will see that your site is true and not jus for roleplayers, so i belive you have nothing to worry about but you will if u take it down and can't run the site anymore.

put it this way if u take it down u lose income i came to ur site a none believer wen i left i had a new found knowledge in "vampires", when i took a look at your sites advertisements in no way did it discredit you in-fact i found it quite fitting considering it turns out they don't grow there own lol, but yeah back to the point if it is discrediting your site its because the person obviously doesn't believe in the first place so even without it they would still think the same, and what goods a site if you haven't got the money to keep it running? your sites up to help people who are struggling, that are "vampires" not to convince people that they are real your duty's to those who need you and if they are real "vampires" then they will see that your site is true and not just for role-players, so i believe you have nothing to worry about but you will if u take it down and can't run the site anymore.

First let me start by saying I would not recommend removing the ads if it meant that sanguinarius.org would have to close. This has been the only Vampire site that I have followed over the years and quite frankly I think it is one of the few which acurately and practically relates to the sanguinarian. That being said, I do regard the ads of such things as fake fangs to be rather stereotypical at times, but I know, and I think most others do to, that money is needed to support a website such as this and that ads must be taken out. I do not however think that simple banner ads denote a specific aire to the website. If perchance there were articles specifically stating 'where to complete your vampire look' and pointing the reader to vampfangs, well, that would of course detract from the genuinity of the site. But I wouldn't worry too much about just having banner ads to other sites.

The bottom line is, the people who know the site and have been around for many years will know it and know what it stands for and what it is about; And people who are looking for something wrong will take issue with just about anything anyway. In anything there will always be people who believe and people who don't whether it be a controversial subject or raw fact science right in front of their eyes. You have made an excellent website which has grown exceptionally well over the years and that is really all you can do. I think first priority should be that the site stays up above all else, because I know we will all miss it if it were gone.

And in closing, and forgive my longwindedness, although rather stereotypical, these vampire fashion accessories are very important to those who love the stereotypical vampire persona and God knows without a lot of the people who love vampire related things we wouldn't have many donors. If non-sanguinarians showed absolutely no interest in vampires, well, we'd pretty much be on our own, so I believe that the vampire lifestyle fashion has in many ways become an integral part of the sanguinarian's life in many ways.

All the best,
jason
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